Gun crimes plummet even as gun sales rise

[Panzermann403]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-09/picturing-plunge-gun-crimes-gun-sales-surge

Homicides with firearms down 39% since 1993

Cumulative firearms to market increased 5 fold

Unintentional firearms fatalities down 58%

At least in the US, more guns don't seem to cause more crime.

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[Boule]

Don't confuse me with facts...

[Gottfried]

Daraufhin an die Lokalpresse Mainpost und MainEcho am 10.8.13:

"Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

bitte beachten Sie den mir zugespielten Bericht aus dem "Pew Research Center" zum Waffenbesitz in USA:

http://www.zerohedge...gun-sales-surge

Vielleicht senden Sie diesen ja auch an ihren Schreiber aus USA, H. Peter W. Schröder weiter.

Zu Meinungsmanipulationen über z.B. UNIDIR (http://www.unidir.org/programmes/process-and-practice) hin zu dpa, afp, etc., können Sie sich sicher selbst einlesen.

Die Leserschaft (Mehrere zehntausende Sportler, Jäger, Sammler und Angehörige von Betroffenen!) würde sich sicher über einen "unredigierten" Bericht zu dieser Studie ein eigenes Bild machen wollen.

Ich freue mich auf eine Reaktion der Redaktion!

Bitte beachten Sie daß dieses Anschreiben und ihre Antwort darauf auf Internetforen veröffentlicht werden wird.

Freundliche Grüße!

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mobilnummer"

[Gast]

Ob die jetzt wohl jedes Wort auf die Goldwaage legen? Wieviel grains hat son Wort?

Ich würde nicht unbedingt mit Antwort rechnen, optimistisch war ich mal

oops, wrong language

I wouldn't count on an answer, optimism was last week or so

[EJER Fuchs]

I thought this was the ENGLISH forum. Apparently not....

As for the original post, it simply proves John Lott was right.

[JuergenG]

I thought this was the ENGLISH forum. Apparently not....

It's OK, he just quoted a letter to the editor of his local paper based on the article.

That would naturally not be in English.

[Panzermann403]

I thought this was the ENGLISH forum. Apparently not....

As for the original post, it simply proves John Lott was right.

You ain't lying, mate.

[posted on the run]

[Gottfried]

Daraufhin an die Lokalpresse Mainpost und MainEcho am 10.8.13:

"Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

bitte beachten Sie den mir zugespielten Bericht aus dem "Pew Research Center" zum Waffenbesitz in USA:

http://www.zerohedge...gun-sales-surge

Vielleicht senden Sie diesen ja auch an ihren Schreiber aus USA, H. Peter W. Schröder weiter.

Zu Meinungsmanipulationen über z.B. UNIDIR (http://www.unidir.or...ss-and-practice) hin zu dpa, afp, etc., können Sie sich sicher selbst einlesen.

Die Leserschaft (Mehrere zehntausende Sportler, Jäger, Sammler und Angehörige von Betroffenen!) würde sich sicher über einen "unredigierten" Bericht zu dieser Studie ein eigenes Bild machen wollen.

Ich freue mich auf eine Reaktion der Redaktion!

Bitte beachten Sie daß dieses Anschreiben und ihre Antwort darauf auf Internetforen veröffentlicht werden wird.

Freundliche Grüße!

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mobilnummer"

Heute kam die Antwort, vielleicht schreibt ihr ja den Herren mal an?

Zitat

"Sehr geehrter Herr XXXXXXX,

vielen Dank für Ihr Mail und Ihre darin enthaltene Kritik.

Bitte haben Sie Verständnis, dass ich diese Kritik als Ihre persönliche sehe und nicht als gesammelter Ausdruck der "Leserschaft (Mehrere zehntausende Sportler, Jäger, Sammler und Angehörige von Betroffenen)".

Ich denke, wir sollten jedem Leser seine eigene Meinung lassen und uns nicht zum vermeintlichen Sprachrohr anderer machen, deren Meinung wir sicherlich nicht flächendeckend kennen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Stefan Reis

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Fwd: Leserbrief>Mainstream: "Bitte verwirren Sie mich nicht mit Fakten">Waffen in USA Datum: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:38:53 +0200 Von: ME Nachrichtentisch <nachrichtentisch@main-echo.de> Antwort an: nachrichtentisch@main-echo.de Organisation: Verlag und Druckerei Main-Echo GmbH & Co. KG An: Stefan.reis@main-echo.de

[JuergenG]

A more detailed article, not only looking at the U.S.

http://www.infowars....-make-us-safer/

#1 Over the past 20 years, gun sales have absolutely exploded, but homicides with firearms are down 39 percent during that time and "other crimes with firearms" are down 69 percent.

#2 A study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy discovered that nations that have more guns tend to have less crime.

#3 The nine European nations with the lowest rate of gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate that is three times greater than the nine European nation with the highest rate of gun ownership.

#4 Almost every mass shooting that has occurred in the United States since 1950 has taken place in a state with strict gun control laws…

With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had three of the worst six school shootings.

#5 The United States is #1 in the world in gun ownership, and yet it is only 28th in the world in gun murders per 100,000 people.

#6 The violent crime rate in the United States actually fell from 757.7 per 100,000 in 1992 to 386.3 per 100,000 in 2011. During that same time period, the murder rate fell from 9.3 per 100,000 to 4.7 per 100,000.

#7 Approximately 200,000 women in the United States use guns to protect themselves against sexual crime every single year.

#8 Overall, guns in the United States are used 80 times more often to prevent crime than they are to take lives.

#9 The number of unintentional fatalities due to firearms declined by 58 percent between 1991 and 2011.

#10 Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK?

#11 The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.

#12 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.

#13 The UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU.

#14 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

#15 Down in Australia, gun murders increased by about 19 percent and armed robberies increased by about 69 percent after a gun ban was instituted.

#16 The city of Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the United States. So has this reduced crime? Of course not. As I wrote about recently, the murder rate in Chicago was about 17 percent higher in 2012 than it was in 2011, and Chicago is now considered to be "the deadliest global city". If you can believe it, there were about as many murders in Chicago during 2012 as there was in the entire nation of Japan.

#17 After the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring every home to have a gun, the crime rate dropped by more than 50 percent over the course of the next 23 years and there was an 89% decline in burglaries.

#18 According to Gun Owners of America, the governments of the world slaughtered more than 170 million of their own people during the 20th century. The vast majority of those people had been disarmed by their own governments prior to being slaughtered.

ETA: Most all source material for the above excerpt to be found here http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

[EJER Fuchs]

Well - there you go again.

Using FACTS in a discussion of "gun control." What ARE you thinking?

[JuergenG]

Yeah, silly rabbit......

[EJER Fuchs]

Silly rabbit, indeed........

Love Lucy Liu.