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Most welcome, i guess i made my point. Good night!

EBR, your approach seems very simplistic. To how many muslims did you talk lately to verify this, all of them? Two way communication, right? I agree, our trendy western permissiveness will get us killed: We allowed the CIA to train the taliban, the stratigical hopless invasion of afghanistan - proved by brits an soviets beforehand, the invasion of iraq for al qaida and weapons of mass destruction - none to be found, then we allowed ourselves to withdraw and leave a whole region destabilized, fertilizing the ground well for IS. I forgot, on the way we allowed Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. Then we allow ourselves to condemn and fear all muslims, and the use of that fear against the values and freedom we thought, we stand for. You think this could help maybe 1 or 2 muslims to develop a bit of indifference? You keep on demanding, but you don't deliver.

Dear Carsten, you accuse me of negative projection, after one fourth of world population has been declared radical and dangerous? Denial? To recognize the multifaceted process that led to islamic fundamentalism on the rise? That's what i saw. I thought we figured, it is a political problem - not a religious one. And i just don't see, what that has to do with with the head cleric of islam, sorry. It would be to great to see sunnis and shiites agree on one. Let's have a two way communication - what will the fear of fundamentalist terror be used for? Cutting down on freedom - our freedom, if you call it that, to own firearms will be one of the first ones on the list. Brave new world don't work so well with an armed populace. Be it hunters and competitors. Yeah, not only one fourth of world population is radical, i'm as well. Seriously? Food for thought.

Here we go again! Your days must be pretty demanding, considering your writing here at night, but i digress. That is indeed the president i mean - there is a lot to be criticized about his presidency, no doubt - still, how about the responsability of western civilized worlds failed politics and wars. Don't you think, it can radicalize a man, seeing his family turn to pink mist? Not very humanistic, as i understand. Mhh, you bring a lot of evidence - but just evidence that fits your argumentation. As an example I really liked your deathtoll counter. A pitty you missed to put it in perspective to the numbers of death caused by civilized wests - i repeat myself - failed politics and wars in the middle east. Nice twist of my words - i did not pay enough attention. What i meant was stopping the western secular countries becoming the brave new world, they are about to become. And by the way, the most used tool for this is fear of (isalmic) terror. What corrective actions you mean - going to war? Only to check, if it comes down to cutting throats or not, humanisticly speaking. You are confusing, how does this go together with: It is good to be anti-isalm .... so true. Mhh, how about the freedom of religion - i had the impression, that's one of our societys freedoms.

No one giving me heat anymore? What's up guys, that's all you had? Let's hear what the president of the united states has to say about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a01Rg2g2Z8#t=11m42 You get how funny this is? I'm almost peeing my pants. Good night.

Balu, you make my day! That is a looong post. Mhh, well, it appears Muslim is the perfect secular humanitarians infidel. And secular humanitarism don't seem to be any less prone to - ähem - instrumentaiize peoples fears and stereotypes. That was one of my main points to start writing here. The video you applauded is nothing else. That sounds really good - but not following an agenda - seriously? It is rare to find people without a hidden agenda, yet without any agenda - that would make more than my day. Ethics of responsibility? You seem to forget the responsability of 'western secular humanism'. If that hadn't waged war in Irak - right, i forgot that was about weapons of mass destruction not about oil - ISIS would't even be there. You are so good with numbers - what was the death toll for this? Upps, it is still rising. Very valid point - now we are talking: politics - not religion. I don't think, it would be difficult to agree about the politics of ISIS and Boku Haram. No, western states use cluster bombs, laser guided munition and drones on completely innocent people - collateral damage. Man, that's what i call ethic superiority. I honour that admittance! Why do you then applaud the video, bashing Islam left, right and middle, like there were no other aspects? Good idea - i completely agree on this. A fatwa upon Jihad! Agreed - but is has to be a two way deal. Let's also keep politics and govermnet out of people's head, home and place of worship. My phobia? I fear fear - it makes you act without proper reflection of consequence. My bad - how about you grant more than one fourth of world population the same opportunity. ... and never mind, before religion becomes law, i guess, we meet in the trenches. Best regards

Nice try Balu. Don't really feel like playing question and answer. Or is it more an attempt to shut me up - so you can enjoy your islamophobia untroubled? Polemics don't get better, if you put numbers in front and questionmarks in behind! Instead i have been contemplating a bit. You know what is most enjoyable about you guys? You rage about how all muslims are talibanesque - and miss completely how you are the same. You want to find an infidel - your infidel is muslim - and then you wanna cut throats. It happens so easily - what you fear in others is yourself. Just a lack of selfreflection.

Oh - too sorry. Still i stand by what i said, which translates like this: ... here we go again. Putting religious fanatism on one level with a whole religion, you have no idea about - it's disgusting. The sufis were too barbaric, aren't they? Just keep on happily fearing the evil muslim. Yes, i did watch through the whole polemic thing. And granted his needling is hitting some very week points of what people abuse islam for - you wanna tell me, this thread is not one more stupid islamophobic repetition of the same thing over and over again? I am up for a surprise - but i doubt it! Best regards

Geht's wieder los? Da wird religiöser Fanatismus mit einer ganzen Religion gleichgesetzt - von der man keine Ahnung hat. Widerlich. Die Sufis waren und sind ganz gräßliche Barbaren, gell? ... und weiter gruselt man sich herrlich vorm bösen Muselman.

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